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發表於 2015-2-3 14:12  資料 私人訊息 
為什麼美國大戶專打HLF ?
其他TUP,AVP,NUS有被控告直銷不合法嗎?
如果業務是合法,則控告可能是一種"方法",當然要外加媒體名嘴及舖天蓋地的網路寫手  ...
操作手法真是深不可測...

Tupperware Brands (NYSE: TUP )
Avon (NYSE: AVP )
Herbalife(NYSE: HLF )
Nu Skin (NYSE: NUS )

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發表於 2015-2-3 15:01  資料 文集 私人訊息 
要問 ackman 是否用過 hlf 產品; 吃到烙賽要報復!不然財報看來ok 啊....跌到不像樣了!
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基本面 + "操縱" ????

行銷打廣告清場,阻止買進動作
剩下的就是強者壓制弱者,不能輸,金額太大也輸不起

"口袋戰術"..慢慢縮緊口袋.....
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等他贏到飽才會撥雲見日....
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發表於 2015-2-3 15:49  資料 私人訊息 
HLF有沒有違法並不重要

HLF如果違法,他贏比較多
HLF沒有違法,他也必須贏,放空的選擇權部位太大,高幹桿倍數操作,不能輸

其他媒體行銷廣告動作應該只是欺敵戰術
透過媒體引來其他人一起放空,就可增加下跌的機會

所以他運用媒體應該也是為了自己的利益,
不是為了伸張正義...

就像打籃球都要很多假動作欺騙對手

很傳統的,先放空,再利用媒體洗腦大眾,引來以為趨勢向下的其他人一起放空
形成線型看起來很像下跌趨勢

他最後再收網回補

就像戰爭要師出有名,為了公平正義,
其實是為了控制石油的利益
但是因為石油不在自己國土上,
所以就必須編造一個看起來符合大眾利益的出兵理由












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發表於 2015-2-3 16:02  資料 主頁 文集 私人訊息 
我和Ackman桑都參與了HLF股票,
他作空,我是長期股東;
他作股票作到反目成仇,我則股價跌到零也無所謂;
他的績效很不錯,我也滿意我自己;
他工作時間很長,我每天喝咖啡滑手機;
他很認真做研究,我只想3秒鐘;
這就是我們的差別。

Geez~說來有人又不相信了,
昨天以前我還不知NNI是啥覓碗糕,
想不到3秒鐘就買了。
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發表於 2015-2-3 16:08  資料 私人訊息 
所以小弟也很看好HLF目前扭曲的價格
Ackman為大家盡力了
產生跳樓大拍賣價格..

感恩.....

GDP年增率在第一季及去年第四季的向下修正
幫了他很大的忙

看來他也有參考GDP年增率的方法...
順勢而為....

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發表於 2015-2-3 20:30  資料 文集 私人訊息 
既然如此, 那就今晚再買一點 hlf 吧!
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發表於 2015-2-4 00:31  資料 私人訊息 
感謝

小弟今天買HLF  32.7
感謝今天與Mike及Leon桑聊天得到的明牌...
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發表於 2015-2-5 14:09  資料 私人訊息 
小弟運用巴班GDP年增率低點 + 便宜價 + 高ROE +低盈再率  + 油價低點  ,
就買進了


如果沒有併購案,應該不會賠大錢 ; 如果有併購案,小弟就笑納了.....


低價併購比較便宜,還是高價併購比較便宜 ?
如果Herbalife的商業模式違法,那麼這一群直銷公司是如何通過IPO股票上市審查 ?

真有趣  , 原來有市場大咖 TPG Capital  在評估併購Herbalife (HLF  )及其他直銷公司

劇本如下,台灣過去也曾出現類似劇本  

高價 :   市場大咖 Ackman 大賺放空價差

          先放空HLF ,再打壓  
          配合 Ackman 運用司法調查控告  + 網路媒體消息  + 併購大咖高價保守評估
          引發市場"熱烈討論",配合GDP年增率向下修正....

低價 :  併購大咖也沒放棄Herbalife 併購評估 + 網路媒體消息

所以小弟已經買好HLF ,就等會不會發生併購案
感謝....




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http://www.bidnessetc.com/33297-why-tpg-capital-once-mulled-over-buying-herbalife-ltd/

By: Bob Cramer
Published: Jan 26, 2015 at 10:40 am EST

Why TPG Capital Once Mulled Over Buying Herbalife Ltd.


Private equity firm TPG Capital considered acquiring the troubled global nutrition company Herbalife last year, sources say.

Now TPG looks to acquire Avon but might revive its interest in Herbalife if deal with the former does not work out
TPG Capital is one of the world’s largest private equity investment firm which had gotten really close to acquiring Herbalife Ltd. (NYSE:HLF) last year.

As part of its ongoing interest in the multi-level marketing industry, the New York Post reports that the private equity giant had “seriously considered buying” the troubled nutritional supplements provider.

The private equity firm specializes in growth capital, leveraged buyout, and recapitalization investments in afflicted corporations and turnaround situations.

For its current interest in multi-level marketing segment, Herbalife was a major contender as potential investment due to the nutrition company’s distressed past few quarters. “They took a long look at Herbalife one year ago”, said sources privy to the matter, according to the New York Post.

Besides Herbalife, the company was also interested in acquiring Nu Skin Enterprises, Inc. (NYSE:NUS), the sources said.

Both Herbalife and Nu Skin are currently under investigation by the regulatory authorities. Since neither Herbalife nor NU Skin have responded to this news, it remains unclear why TPG’s interest in the two companies halted without any investment.

At present, the private equity firm is seeking to acquire Avon Products, Inc. (NYSE:AVP), according to a report on Dealreporting, citing inside sources. Stock of the struggling cosmetics multi-level marketer soared 20% during trading on Thursday as speculations regarding Avon going private emerged.

Analysts at B. Riley noted that the deal could potentially be made around $11-14 per share. However, another analyst at Wells Fargo issued a report addressed to clients on Friday, stating it was skeptical about the possibility. This sent Avon shares down 7.9% to $7.98 the same day.

According to speculations, if TPG Capital abandons investing in the cosmetics company after the discussions concerning Avon going private do not work out, the private equity firm could renew its interest in the nutrition company.

The sources say: “If TPG does not buy Avon, it might take a new look at Herbalife.”
Given Herbalife has seen its sales trend on a downward trail, and given TPG Capital’s focus on distressed companies looking for a turnaround, the private equity firm is more likely to opt for Herbalife.

Even though it is not clear why TPG’s interest in Herbalife ended, the obvious reason appears to be the company’s deteriorating share price, which has been slashed to half since last year. January 2014 saw Senator Ed Markey calling for an investigation into the company’s business model. Soon after the stock began to tumble and continues to do so.

The share price continued to tumble since only two months later in March 2014, the Federal Trade Commission initiated its probe into the company, which was followed by another investigation by Justice Department in April. Several other regulators, including the US Securities and Exchange Commission and State Attorney Generals, look at the troubled nutritional supplements provider.

Herbalife stock has been under a volatile streak for the past two years, following allegations by Pershing Square Capital Management’s activist investor Bill Ackman. Mr. Ackman accused Herbalife of operating under a pyramid scheme.

This accusation which Mr. Ackman vehemently reiterates time and again and the company repudiates is what has sparked the string of investigations by different regulatory bodies.

TPG is raising private equity funds worth $10 billion, looking to invest in companies that boast of “unique brands, products and services, defensible and specialized distribution models”.

Herbalife has been under a cloud for some time, surrounded with a series of accusations and investor skepticism.

Recently, it has been performing on pure investor sentiment, with price tumbling every time Mr. Ackman revived his attack, and then rising again on some favorable news supporting the company.

TPG Capital’s investment in the company would definitely take investors off-guard, causing them to weigh in on the stock and bid up the price substantially.

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Soros 也持有Herbalife      剛才看google finance的新聞
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打官司果然醉翁之意不在酒
真打假打,聲東擊西...

索羅斯買進Herbalife   
Ackman 賣出 ,賺放空的錢


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-17/soros-said-to-have-increased-herbalife-stake-after-shares-tumble

Soros Boosts Herbalife Stake After Shares Fall



George Soros, billionaire and founder of Soros Fund Management LLC, left, gestures during a Bloomberg Television interview at his home in London, on March 12, 2014. Photographer: Simon Dawson/Bloomber Recommended


(Bloomberg) -- George Soros’s fund boosted its stake in Herbalife Ltd. in the fourth quarter, according to two people familiar with the matter, signaling that the embattled maker of diet shakes and supplements still has the billionaire’s backing.

The investor’s New York-based firm, Soros Fund Management LLC, will disclose details in a filing as early as Tuesday, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the move isn’t yet public.

Herbalife, which sells nutrition products through a network of independent distributors, came under fire in 2012 from investor Bill Ackman, who accused it of being a pyramid scheme. That led to a probe by the U.S. Federal Trade Commission and slowing growth at Herbalife, which has switched to more conservative sales practices. The stock plummeted last year as Herbalife’s woes mounted.

The shares jumped as much as 6.5 percent to $34.90. They were trading at $33.50 at 10:08 a.m. in New York, up 2.2 percent.

Soros’s increased stake in the fourth quarter follows a period in which the firm pared its holdings. It cut its stake by 2.85 million shares, or about 60 percent, in the third quarter. The value of the stake had declined by 73 percent to $82.6 million in that period. Herbalife was the fund’s 31st-biggest holding, according to a 13F filing at the time.

The Herbalife situation is a showdown of billionaire investors, with Soros and Carl Icahn lining up against against Ackman. In recent months, Ackman has held the upper hand: The shares have fallen by more than half from last year’s high.

Another of Herbalife’s backers, Perry Capital, divested its stake in the nutrition company in the fourth quarter. The investment firm sold about 5.6 million shares, which were valued at $243.9 million at the start of the quarter, according to a filing Friday with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

Meanwhile, Bill Stiritz, the company’s fourth-largest shareholder, has added to his stake, a person with knowledge of the matter said last month. Stiritz, who reported an 8.2 percent stake in Herbalife a year ago, won’t be required to file a regulatory disclosure, said the person, who asked not to be identified because the situation isn’t yet public. Regulators require large shareholders to disclose a significant addition to their stake.

To contact the reporter on this story: Duane D. Stanford in Atlanta at
dstanford2@bloomberg.net

To contact the editors responsible for this story: Nick Turner atnturner7@bloomberg.net James Callan

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NNI現有機會以更低成本持有, 只是過去一年的跌勢不知因何而來?升息嗎?
[quote]原帖由 mikeon88 於 2015-2-3 16:02 發表
我和Ackman桑都參與了HLF股票,
他作空,我是長期股東;
他作股票作到反目成仇,我則股價跌到零也無所謂;
他的績效很不錯,我也滿意我自己;
他工作時間很長,我每天喝咖啡滑手機;
他很認真做研究,我只想3秒鐘;
這就是我們的差別。

Geez~說來有人又不相信了,
昨天以前我還不知NNI是啥覓碗糕
想不到3秒鐘就買了。
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日本..婦女嬰兒幼兒產品...Pigeon Corporation (日股 7956 ,美股 PGENY)


http://english.pigeon.co.jp

會社概要
http://www.pigeon.co.jp/about/company/index.html

商品一覧
http://products.pigeon.co.jp/


PIGEON CORPORATION is a company mainly engaged in the manufacture, purchase and sale of childcare and nursing products.

Along with its subsidiaries, PIGEON is active in three business segments.

The Domestic Baba-Mama segment is involved in the manufacture, purchase and sale of child care products.

The Child Rearing Support segment is engaged in the child care, baby-sitting and early childhood education businesses.

The Healthcare and Nursing segment is engaged in the manufacture, purchase and sale of nursing care products, and the provision of home-care support services.

The Overseas segment is involved in the manufacture, purchase and sale of child care products through its overseas subsidiaries.

As of January 31, 2014, the Company had 18 subsidiaries and one associated company.








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